Evenings with Sraddhalu part 1 ENRUSP subtitles

Good evening. Today is the sixth day 2017 And I welcome you to a new series Evenings with Sraddhalu and today I have two questions to put to you Going back almost 50 years Now Mother was asked if you were asked to sum up just in one sentence your vision of India What would be your answer? Mother India's true destiny is to be the Guru of the world and then the second question Similarly if you are asked to comment on the reality as you see it How would you do so in one sentence? Mother says The present reality is a big falsehood hiding an eternal truth So fifty years now From that statement approximately. Where is India? I think you should read also the third question, okay The question was what according to you are the three main barriers That stand between the vision and the reality Mother ignorance fear falsehood We see a new India emerging. Could you share your experiences? I think in the 1960s somebody from the Indian political space Asked the Mother this question, what is the root cause of India's problems? And of course the conventional answers that they expected would be things like poverty education etc and social issues and Mother's one word reply root cause of India's problems - insincerity And then he asked What is the solution to India's problems? and Mother's one word reply sincerity And if you look back at the years since India won her independence from colonial rule This is the one thing which is so obvious in all of public life insincerity utter falsehood and The other to words ignorance and fear. Yeah, these are also significant because when you look at the whole problem You realize that when India became free from colonization We continued exactly the same colonial policies the same governance structures The same administrative structures the same political structure the same Education the same social values the same mindsets memes which came with colonization Which were designed to enslave India? And everything has continued exactly the same even our Great Constitution of India is a replica of the British constitution so the same thing continues People make a big deal about the Constitution But I try to break that by pointing out two three great world records that the Indian Constitution has it's the world's fattest Constitution Because it was not thought out What they did was they had a committee of 300 people Going through constitutions of the world Taking the British constitution as the base and then taking pieces from other constitutions and throwing it in So it's never been thought out from the root out just in pieces thrown in together. And so it's become the world's fattest Constitution and Second world record. It has the maximum number of constitutional crisis Because things don't fit the pieces don't join and they don't represent the reality of people's lives and values The Constitution is not in sync with the Indian need With the culture with its values with spirituality just with basic social values. It does not fit and the third Great world record that India has India's India's Constitution has is that it has the maximum number of constitutional amendments So you keep putting patchwork upon patchwork upon patchwork to resolve what is broken. And briefly in the late 1990s This question had come up in the political circles of revising certain elements of the Constitution and the then president also product of the British Raj mindset made a comment: We have to ask ourselves whether the Constitution has failed us or have we failed the Constitution? So implied was that if things don't work then it's your fault because you can't fit yourself to the Constitution's requirements When was it formed? 1948 or just after this just within a year or two this went through this committee and The implication is if the Constitution states that you should walk on your head then you should make the effort to do that Whereas everywhere else when you go to countries which have grown out of their own aspiration The Constitution was a representation of their aspiration their vision for what they already Aspired for and here's a constitution which is warped and imposed suppressing what is your natural aspiration. And so when Mother speaks of this First of all a falsehood This is one example of the falsehood the whole of life has been warped Because of warped ideas warped structures warped systems thrust upon India But to undo the warping you have this ignorance and fear which come in the way and This there is such a huge reaction when the discussion came up briefly in the 1990s For some revision and there was a huge reaction from the political class and others The whole economics framework of India and the developmental framework is also replica of the models imposed in the colonial rule They don't fit the needs of India's not only values but also its Indic its tradition of development. You see India is the only country Which has a sustained developmental model going back at least 5,000 years of recorded history at least and much more We have planned cities Dated to 7,000 BC with neat roads with gutters for water flow with garbage disposal systems and everything designed and none of these developmental models involved Usurping other people's wealth colonizing others None of them involve conquest of others None of them involved destruction of nature. They were all sustainable models and Sustainable in a way that allowed for a huge diversity of human types and needs India is also one of the most diverse spaces in the whole world. Mother made a comment about this saying that in a sense India is representative of the whole world's problems it's as if every human type in other cultures and civilizations and nations has been represented within India as a subset of the largest civilization every Problems associated with those types of humanity or lifestyles has been also represented as a result and all of this in a space which has been held together in an ideal of unity going back as I said at least five thousand years according to our own records at least ten thousand years, but you have to If you accept the European dating then you say at least 5,000 years but you could hold this space in a unity which was cultural and spiritual The political unity on the scale that we call India is relatively recent phenomenon as a nation but internally in its More than 300 princely states There was always the sense that all of India is one unit and Yet Having a track record of such a developmental model You have a warped model placed upon India the result of which is the destruction of our environment As is happening everywhere in the world the destruction of Indigenous values which are being completely extinguished the Uniformity that is imposed on the whole of the country not allowing for local diversities and needs which creates other problems and all of this is the remnant of the colonial phase and What prevents us from changing again: ignorance and fear? You said 1948 approximately was being formed. And does Sri Aurobindo Have comments on that? I don't think he makes any direct comment and I'm not aware of at least of comments on Indian institution But he does make comments going way back On all the problems we're facing today This is interesting. If you see his writings in the "Bande Mataram" and the "Karma Yogin", which is a little over 100 years now Every issue that india is struggling with today has been mentioned there They were all during British times and Even later when India became free. He has some letters describing what is required for India in its developmental structures and one of the key comments he makes And this is made 100 years ago 1910 he writes and this is his prophetic vision looking at the future And he writes there It is becoming increasingly clear that India will pass through the experiment of parliamentary democracy Simply to realize that it is not suited for us This experiment is going on now but seventy years almost and There is no attempt to change and he states in one of his later Correspondences what is the model required. He said the mindset of the Indian is to choose their king To choose one person whom they trust. The parliamentary particularly the Westminster parliamentary model Requires you to select a local representative of a party and all the local representatives get to Parliament and then they select their head and This indirect selection is what is causing is the root cause of the corruption in India today What happens is we want to pick somebody we trust But we cannot choose That man. He is selected by this group that we elect and these people are known crooks of the party but because we trust this one person we select the crook and Knowingly, put a crook in Parliament and still we have no guarantee that they will get together and select the person we want so he recommended switching to a presidential model where people directly select the person that they trust and then he forms a team to execute Government policies and on the other extreme on the grassroots level again He describes the current problem of the Westminster model of Parliament He says people come for the votes at The time of voting they come they seek your votes and then they walk away and you don't see their face for the next four years and The only way to correct for that is a panchayat type government at the local level where the people are are responsible for managing things are your neighbors. You meet them daily. You can always engage with them solve the problem so in between a structure which would link the presidential model at the top and the par... and the grassroot structure of link them and he said the exact details don't matter how you link it As long as it is a product of the innate genius of India So he has discussed not the specifics of the Constitution but the overall governance model and So it was for everything else you go back 100 years a little over 100 years and Sri Aurobindo Had left his job high-paying To become principal of a college. Why? Because he wanted to kick-start a new educational system Which should be appropriate for the free India? Now this is 100 years ago when people were not even dreaming about India being free. He is starting an educational system and Even when he kick-started the education with the freedom movement for India The vision that he set was very different from other freedom fighters first of all in his time there were no freedom fighters who asked for complete freedom from Colonial rule. He was the first to declare that India must be entirely free But the reason he gave is interesting. He says it's not because we hate the British. It's not because they are not governing Well, all those issues may be there, but that's not the cause He said India has a destiny to fulfill in the world Upon which the future of humanity depends and for India to be able to fulfill that destiny India must first find herself Become conscious of her soul In order to become conscious of her soul she has to be free Therefore we have to work for India's complete freedom And if you see that chain from there Where is he looking at. First India has to be free. Then there's this whole period of finding your soul as a nation We can take a long time because you have this huge backlog of the colonial phase And a comment on that I will come back to. After that Having found her soul she must then reorganize a national life around her soul that Process is going to be there also pretty long and then as a result of that organization, she will then impact the world and fulfill her role in the world as Mother describes here the Destiny to be the Guru Guru of the world. It has to be as an example of how to integrate the spirituality in daily life in a collective setting Which is inclusive Universal and which Allows for the full diversity of human types and needs to be present in a single underlying spiritual unity That's the example she has to set so we are looking at a program which goes across a very long time And the first step was making India free for which Sri Aurobindo kick-started that and then all the other elements required for the future He began: the educational system his writings on education were also at that time more than 100 years ago Which he tried to implement within the college where he was which later were further developed in the ashram school under Mother's guidance, the whole framework of integral education was developed and So many other comments which he made on the economics and so on But the point I want you to get to in the early stage where India is still struggling to be free he has very interesting observations about Various national issues, issues of integration, developmental and on that there There's an interesting comment from the Mother she says The problem with India today is the inertia Tamas. Sri Aurobindo speaks of it openly also again 100 years ago in his writings in the little booklet called tales of prison life Mother comments on that separately. She says the British overstayed They were supposed to have left in 1920 When in fact the whole movement had come to this poise as a result of the work they had done That the British had come to the negotiating table I don't know if you're aware of this is very interesting incident took place at 1920. Sri Aurobindo and the Mother were working for India's freedom From the occult levels equally as he had started initially from the political level There's this incident that Mother narrates when in deep concentration Mother They worked together and they did something in India Mother said suddenly: India is free. it's not will be, is free, it's done Sri Aurobindo asked: How did it happen? Was there much bloodshed? Mother's response, she said: no. They went as they came Thye foresaw the possibility of partition It's one of the most horrible events in human history Which has been completely buried People still do not face the reality of it it was so terrible that An entire civilization was torn apart The entire body was split and torn apart People from both sides were forced into migration, which nobody wanted. Yes purely because of a few politicians greed Billions were butchered millions died of starvation Nobody will even talk about it. It's such a Painful episode and the people who witnessed it wouldn't speak about it. It was so bad and It's not there in your history textbooks even In India, they will not tell you what happened. Not at all. Not at all. A partition happened. That was it I see what happened at that point. They will not tell you It is such a painful event and Sri Aurobindo foresaw this possibility and so their effort was to bring India to freedom without this division and in the event as it was initiated from above it was so And interestingly this is in 1920 within two years the British came to the negotiating table They said we are willing to discuss freedom. Let's talk terms And what happened and this is one of those tragedies of India's story that at the time Mahatma Gandhi Had not yet become Mahatma. He had just come from South Africa. He had no real understanding of Indian values and culture he wanted to promote himself as a political leader and He diverted the full energy of the negotiation by saying we do not want freedom. We Ask instead that our Muslim brothers should the right to follow the Khalif of Turkey as they religious head now the entire energy of the negotiation for India's freedom was rediverted to a religious issue where You are saying a part of your own country will be will owe allegiance to the religious head from another country It's really the first step of partition Sri Aurobindo points to this as the first step the beginning of partition and the British found that very convenient the whole discussion shifted to a separate political identity based on religion and India's freedom was set aside Meanwhile, the other great leaders died out Gandhi began to work to get his position and The rest of the steps which followed only increased the basis of division along religious lines It was only much later and that's why when Mother said the British overstayed, it's 25 years plus yeah that India had to wait and when finally the last step of During the Second World War the last step was there an attempt was made to give India freedom Sri Aurobindo initiated on an occult level what is called the Cripps mission Yeah The proposal and it was intended to prevent India from having a partition And it was the last chance. He sent a special emissary from the ashram. Was that Sonam Patel? No, He sent a special emissary from the ashram The lawyer Yeah I forget the name will come back. He was a lawyer and he sent him as an emissary to Mahatma Gandhi and told him gave the reasons why this should be accepted and One of the reasons he gives it's the last chance for India to be free without partition And Gandhi rejected it saying that till Sri Aurobindo to look after his own affairs and not to meddle into politics and The result was of course the partition All of that has further Delayed What would have been otherwise a more natural unfolding of India's spiritual destiny The result of partition, Sri Aurobindo writes at that time, after partition He gave a message when India became free that if this continues then there is a great danger of India even there is the great danger of war but of the delaying and even of losing the larger purpose and destiny of India And then he says this cannot and must not be By whatever means this partition has to be annulled and so on That process again has been extremely painful if you look at all the wars which Pakistan initiated all the terrorism of the world if you look at Originating from Pakistan. Yes. Yes. It's interesting why this has happened? It says if you cut off the arm of a person do you expect the arm to become a new person? There is no soul there. The soul is one so when they made partition the split of Bangladesh on one side, Pakistan on the other side and the result was you had countries without a soul and When you don't have a soul what takes its place? An ego. And what's the nature of the ego? Division. fear And Hatred. So the basis of Pakistan's existence is fear and hatred for India Because if you remove the fear and hatred it would just merge back there's no reason for it to be separate and This is the problem even today. That's the reason why all the time in Pakistan You'll see the people the politicians who come to power they come to power on the basis of fear and hatred of India Common man doesn't have it It's just the politicians and the military because they know that you remove these things and there's no reason for them to be separate so Mother worked for this, for the reunion She helped Indira Gandhi during the Bangladesh war advised her to immediately free Bangladesh guided even the people in the military During the war to the means by which the minimum bloodshed would behead. There are many interesting stories related to that and After that The last step she told Indira Gandhi now go immediately to West Pakistan and finish the problem of there. I remember that the Indian Army had more than 150,000 soldiers of Pakistan as they Had been captured and large territories of Pakistan had been taken on. It was a matter of a few days and the problem would have been finished. and at that time the US stepped in and Put pressure on Indira Gandhi and stopped the war they forced a peace treaty and peace treaty was like this that Bhutto on the other side said I Have no, I cannot negotiate with my people to make peace with India unless you release all my soldiers and give back our land and So Indira Ghandi said okay, on good faith now this is politics doesn't work on good faith, but She gave back the soldiers gave back the land. Bhutto said: within six months I will come back with the treaty, we'll make peace Of course, he was overthrown. He was killed and the army took over. Thing never happened There is very interesting conversation Mother has at that point recorded in the Agenda with Satprem. She said it was a huge error because of which India will suffer a lot and India's own development and destiny is greatly delayed because of that. And then after a few weeks She makes a comment. I have seen how it will happen And it will not be through war the world situation will change and the US will support India instead of Pakistan and Pakistan will then begin to break up internally and part by part It will break into five parts and part by part they would want to rejoin with India It's very interesting to see how things have developed especially in the last few years and particularly in the last six months That the US has openly come out in support of India. Yes Put open pressure on stopping shelling and training of terrorism in Pakistan Stop the funding itself And many other things happening at the same time The result of which is that internally there is a there are these fissures forming within the Pakistan military and polity The specific process of breaking up need not happen in an obvious form it is the point in the psychological breakup and the recognition that It does not have any existence separately. And Mother conceived of a kind of a local federal structure In which all these countries which were once the whole of India Will come together and we see in the last 20 years some a framework called SAARC Southeast Asian Association for Regional Cooperation Which is precisely formed of these countries, which Had the body of the soul of India which have been brought together initially on a cultural platform And in the last few years, it has been converted into an economic platform And with the present government, there are even structures being created linking them with highways going across with communication systems internal Trade structures even a shared satellite for the whole of the SAARC region and things like that It's as if the whole space is being brought together There's a very interesting Description of Sri Aurobindo when he speaks of how when India awakes he describes the Mother will draw together She will draw together her children We're seeing the signs of this beginning to happen now But all of this is things at an inner level things which I had more occult than obvious, overt to the people On the external side what you see are two things a new energy a new enthusiasm and a vitality which is awakening and With it parallely the spirituality and it is this which to me is the most important sign of India's resurgence and to understand this we need to go back to a kind of a Longer span of time you see things with India cannot be understood within a few years because it's a civilization that goes back tens tens of thousands of years and If you have if you see the arc, the beginning of this imprint of the civilization is from the Vedic age which defined the Indian space with its spirituality Sri Aurobindo makes an observation That this is something like this. God always keeps for himself one chosen country In which the highest liberating knowledge is preserved through all the vicissitudes of time And then he says for this Chatur-Yuga at least Chatur-Yuga is is the four cycle or four yugas. For this Chatur-yuga at least that country is India And so from that point the imprint of the Vedic age and the spiritual work of the Rishis is as if Pushed into the collective consciousness Through a series of stages First the Vedic age itself being a kind of an intuitive age There is the formulation in more more mental terms and philosophical terms through the Upanishadic phase From there that spirituality further descends into the life of the people through the Puranic age Where the same values and experiences of the way the are inculcated through stories through life values life systems Little children grow up with stories which teach Not only spiritual truths, but because they're symbolic stories. They resonate deep inside them in their own inner spaces spiritual and psychological with the truth of something obviously externally a symbol but resonating on multiple levels within and forming Forming the civilization and its values and so the result is from that period we see this space as if separated protected on the north where the Himalayas these huge mountains on the south by the oceans and within that space allowing for a huge diversity again and something is being developed and being prepared and You see the passage of the Vedic imprint leading to a huge fluorescence of the Indian civilization where everything... Sri Aurobindo describes three characteristics that it had this Great Power of the intellect, this tremendous vitality Daring to attempt everything without fear and third going into details and mastering details in every field so could have a whole discussion going many hours on the Explorations and masteries of astronomy astrology music dance Mathematics physics chemistry what is called chemistry now, it was much more profound, but always bridging the inner with the outer the Underlying occult layers of reality and the most material layers of the physical reality Were all bridged in a body of knowledge which was spanning in every field Even in martial arts. Everything was turned to spirituality. It's very interesting to observe how they did it and everything was made part Infused with the yogic knowledge of development and awakening of consciousness Anything you do in the Indian culture in the traditional way is intended to help you grow in consciousness and realize the spirit Without that it's not like interesting for India so you have this you would great civilization with this huge diversity taking spiritual forms and interestingly as there is this perfection in the material sphere and the wealth and Comforts growing there comes as if a corective measure that says wait, wait, don't get lost in matter There is also the spiritual Don't lose yourself. And so something happens about a little over 2000 years ago with the imprint of Buddhism followed by the by Shankara That turns away from life to a kind of an exclusive otherworldly spirituality which was not in consonance with the Vedic ideal and Yet it was one of those experiments which was it's possible. So do it The result Sri Aurobindo says was the beginning of the decline Because the spirituality which embraces life fulfills spirituality withdraws from life it weakens life and then he says gradually you see the energy of the civilization dropping the creativity dropping and the last creative outburst about a thousand years ago and Then Sri Aurobindo comes with a very interesting observation. If not for the Islamic invasions India would have become a nation of monks So in the larger scheme of things when everything heading towards the life-renouncing spirituality withdrawing to monkhood Come this battering ram of the invasions and As a shock they wake up the civilization and you see repeatedly series of attempts to regain and rebuild the vitality one of the most interesting from a spiritual perspective is The what is now today living as Sikhism the Sikh tradition which Sri Aurobindo points to as one of the first attempts to unify the truth of the Indian tradition with the core truth of Islam and he says that the Islamic tradition Is about surrender to God, but on the basis of his strength and of a certain They respect strength in the other and in the collision that took place this was precisely the component which in India had declined and so it was as if India had to reabsorb that truth now from a alien invasion and The first attempt to bridge that you see in the Sikh tradition where the first guru organizes in the society To protect itself. He goes to every home picks the eldest son brings them together to form the Khalsa the community the spiritual family and a symbol of Sikhism is also a weapon a sword and spiritual the two our United strength in spirituality and the whole call is Sat Sri Akaal, the truths highest eternal it is Dharma But now given a form which is dynamic energetic protective and Organizing society around that in what is the spiritual family cutting through all other distinctions So it's a first attempt Sri Aurobindo refers to but at that time humanity And India was not ready for something which would transcend the religious form. And so it finally takes the form which becomes more religious But the vitality is preserved and the defence is taking place. Meanwhile a series of very interesting Events take place where there are what may be described as Vibhutis who come into India to help regenerate and rebuild One such is Shivaji Who protected India from the Islamic invasions and even pushed back the invasions to such a point that If not for another generation India would have been completely free but that's around the time the British came in and it took a very different turn and The colonial phase that came with the British had brought its own interesting issues But what you see there is a series of attempts to reawaken And the last phase when the British came we can ask ourselves was the colonial phase necessary at all. I Believe and I look trying to look at it this way also that If there is a divine hand guiding the destiny of something so valuable for the future of the world Then everything that happens has behind it either something which is intended or some Support which makes the best use of it? When when Europe came to India through many gates British were only one of several The French came the Dutch came the and a few others Sri Aurobindo's observation of all these: the British were the one only ones who had a sense of fair play You see everywhere else where colonisation took place they lost their culture they lost their language they lost everything the British kept a distance They colonized but they kept a distance So if at all India had to be colonized that they were the best in a sense You could use their own system against them if they did something wrong. You could use their legal system because of the sense of fair play and so it was the least of the bad so to say Passing through that passage India was politically united the same thing could have happened by different means Without losing its intrinsic systems But now it came through the colonization the external political unity took place and If the British had left in 1920 the vitality which had been awakened during the freedom struggle would have carried you through Without losing the spiritual foundation. And Mothers coment that they overstayed - has to be understood here the result was a complete suppression and dulling into deep innertia Which we're still struggling with in terms of systems, but the people are waking up and So it's a question of time before the systems also will be questioned and recast I give this example often to people when people complain Of corruption, so not only their political system as I said is warped not matching our need But the governance structures are exactly what the British designed and they designed governance structure, not for serving people but for exploiting for looting the country that what colonial colonialism was about they built the railway system not to serve people but to transport the goods out and So the governance structure has at the local level the most powerful person is called the collector why? because his job is to collect taxes and today you still have the collector sitting there in exactly the same role and There's a patchwork attempt to give him other powers other responsibilities But he is still called the collector and his powers are still designed for exploitation and not for governance. Not for service The relationship the Indian people have with their bureaucrats and with their police force is one of fear The bureaucrats have the power to mess around with you completely they can do what they like with you, but they cannot give you the Thing you need because that power is kept on top so the whole system of governance is lopsided at the top you have the power to Understand people and make exceptions at the bottom They have only the power to harass and make you stick to the rule or make you Fail because you missed a comma somewhere in your paperwork, and so the whole thing needs to be rebuilt to recast But no one's thought about it and the people who took over immediately after freedom Nehru, Gandhi and various others were all British educated So they mind set was still of the colonizer Was a very interesting interview of Nehru with Kenneth Galbraith the American ambassador then And Kenneth Galbraith notes in his memoirs He said at some point in their conversation Nehru leaned over to him and said proudly you know, I Am the last Englishman to rule India He considered himself an Englishman He was proud of that identity. He was not an Indian and Second he considered his role as Prime Minister to be ruling not serving Not only that Nehru was not elected In the very first process of electing Prime Minister everybody chose Sardar Patel At which point Mahatma Gandhi stepped forward and said To Sardar: I want you to step down Because I have promised Nehru's father that I will make him Prime Minister and he was selected not elected So the very first step of democracy in its infancy Choosing a prime minister was shortchanged And subsequently you see the pattern repeated all through the corruption and all the All that is endemic to this mindset that we are rulers. We are British not Indian And we are here to rule you and take to exactly what the British did It is said that Nehru used to send his suits for dry-cleaning to Paris Some people disputed but the point being that was his value system and a whole lot of other issues which followed. Nehru believed that India should be communist But because every everybody else said, no, it shouldn't be so he accepted a compromise to be socialist So it had to be centrally driven now, this is again If you look at the way Indian civilization has grown it's always been grass root up When the points out, it's always life expressing diversity Nehru wanted to impose top-down, of course that failed massively Nahru believed in linguistic States. Sardar Patel said no, it should be states designed around natural boundaries The result is today we have States quarreling over river water sharing because Nehru made them linguistic Nehru believed in large states Sardar Patel spoke of small states. Sri Aurobindo also reference to smaller states and so on I Mean, these are such practical issues Had Sardar Patel been the Prime Minister of India things would have been very different. But again, it's one of those Sad events, which have only delayed things the only way we can look at it positively is to say that every possible problem which India could face has had to be faced. Now to support this viewpoint I will quote Roughly in summary what Sri Aurobindo says somewhere he says and this is a hundred years ago again He says India is passing through a kind of a vast national yoga Meaning like an individual going through a yogic process where problems have to come up to be dealt with and Then cleared and then when they are cleared then the next layer comes forward to be cleared and so on Until the whole being is purified And he points to this example He says something like that all the problems which needed to be dealt with to come up and they're being dealt with So it's as if India had to exhaust the possibility of all that can be done by imitation of everyone else beginning with your The world record of a constitution to all the other governance structures and so on and when everything is proved to have failed You're forced to begin to introspect and to find how would you want to do it What's not natural for you? What's true? What is an expression of the deep truth of your being and so this kind of process of introspection has been going on It's not like it's not happened. It's been going on always but there have been two India's there's the India which is still a product of the colonial imprint and especially through the education and Then there is the india which is in the villages and emerging from the villages in Traditional educational frameworks and the two collide they've always collided since India's freedom even before India's freedom They've always been in collision The result was and they used to say in jest there is India and there is Bharat Bharat is the name we call ourselves. India is the British name. So Even our Constitution begins with "India that is Bharat" you had to say it because otherwise India has no meaning is it? Anyway So there's of always being these two and these two values have been in collision In a sense again if you want to give a positive perspective to it It represents something which India has to absorb from the West and harmonize internally But in the first absorption, which is in the package as it came with colonial rule, there is an indigestion It doesn't work It doesn't fit and you kind of throw up or you have this injury and there's this struggle going on with the two colliding but at some point you have to recognize the truth of it without the form and then find harmony I See the first signs of this happening in the last two years With the present prime minister who is the first Prime Minister who does not come with the trappings of the colonial training See what happened was after Nehru all those who came Subsequently, they all had their education abroad or in schools which were with the colonial mindset Narendra Modi remotely the first Prime Minister who is not from that educational background He grew from the grassroot with the indigenous values Who spent all his life in service to others Not in the ruling not in inheriting power authority money or fame so he knows the reality at the grassroot and he has literally grown through all the levels all the layers of the struggle and It's as if in that movement of his being pushed forward there is something of this spirit of India, which is coming forward I Want to again comment on this This very interesting discussion of the Mother recorded in the Agenda the way she speaks of 1965 about She says to Satprem For the last 15 years approximately since India's freedom For the last 15 years Sri Aurobindo and I have been looking for the right man who can lead India Now you see what that means at that time you had let's say almost a billion less than a billion half a billion people Among half a million people they're looking for the right man to lead India and Then she says we found one But they killed him in Kashmir and that was Shyama Prasad Mukherji whom Mother had invited When the ashram school was started he was there as a guest of honor and he was meant to be the liaison with the government to assist the Further development of what was to be Sri Aurobindo university which Mother said would become one day one of the greatest centers of learning on the earth and Then she said it may take 50 years or it may take 100 years you may doubt whether I'm present she says And she knew human nature. Yes. People forget her, forget why we are here. And she said you may doubt whether I am present, but I will be there And she says with all the creative power of Sri Aurobindo genius I preside over the formation of this university So I have great hopes for this. We are going to hit next year seventy five years There's nowhere near nowhere near what She had settled to be in fact we have declined The school was the cutting edge of education in the world under Mother All the most advanced new ideas of Education which today have become spread all over the world while we have declined and forgotten The innovation is dropped. It's not bad, but it's it's not no more on the cutting edge so this is going to be an awakening even here and we are going to She said 50 years or 100 years. So we have missed the 50 year deadline the 75 year deadline and we came to the hundred-year deadline another generation and it will be one of the greatest centers of learning. Why? Well, because they preside over it. But coming back to 1965 Looking for somebody who can lead India. Yeah, and they found one person Shyama Prasad Prasad Mukherji And this is incident narrated by somebody that when he was going to go to Kashmir Mother asked a telegram to be sent to him saying do not go it is dangerous for you and the person did not send He was killed in the train and that was the end of that And they didn't find somebody else briefly with Indira Gandhi Mother did something Which helped India saved India in a way When Indira Gandhi came to the Mother. You will see there's a very interesting photograph of The Mother with Nehru. Yes and then the next prime minister and Then the third person who almost became prime minister who was kingmaker and then Indira Gandhi all of them It's as if the power went through one by one through each of them and the last was Indira Ghandi So at a time when she was in crisis politically She came to the Mother because she had met earlier in the memory of what it meant She came to the Mother Mother made her stay in the ashram main building in Pavitra's room, I believe And then I have heard this from Udar Pinto saying how he saw Indira Gandhi enter the Mother's room like a lamb and Mother met her alone, and then she came out and Pinto said she came out like a tiger and when he went in to meet the Mother Mother told him he says I Brought down the highest power on her and she absorbed everything She goes back She splits the Congress. She forms her own Congress (I) the others fade out literally from all politics and she takes over and Becomes the most powerful Prime Minister in modern indian history She had complete power over everything. She could have done everything Unfortunately just after Mother left her body It was under her rule, then they introduced the word secularism in the Indian Constitution Which became cause for so much suffering later because it was misused by all the politicians to further divide Along religious lines and so on she became responsible for the emergency Which... and so on but what is interesting is during her tenure there was The strength of her central rule brought together what we are otherwise becoming Tendencies for fissiparous tendencies and Mother had made a comment that India needs dose of What's the word she used A benevolent dictatorship is the phrase she has used. So under Indira Gandhi, we saw briefly that and then of course it went off-track my point though in narrating this Is to show that they're looking for the right person to lead India and what does it mean that they didn't find one? There's a huge requirement to be an effective instrument for the divine in the political space Because there you have to have the vitality You have they have do you have to have the spirit of service selfless service you have to have the knowledge the vision of what it is that has to be achieved and the skill to manage because politics is one of the most rigorous demanding and challenging Domains much more than business because everybody is after you that the values that politicians have are the worst and To survive in that space you need something special. I Believe that this has happened now in these last two years I Don't if it's alright to speak about politics and personal certainly things You see Narendra Modi as a young man Was always aspiring for the spiritual life. At the age of 18 he left his house Went into the Himalayas lived there as a monk for three years He went twice to the Ramakrishna mission asking to be ordained as a monk they refused fortunately But when he lived in the Himalayas as a monk three years that he was there something happened The full story of which he has not yet told He was sent back To serve Subsequently you see his journey in politics. He has lived like a monk No personal possessions. No personal attachments. No family connections It's always been a life of a monk in a normal dress of a politician He takes a lot I'm not saying is perfect I'm sure he has his flaws, but it takes a lot to be able to live in that space without losing your core principles And to have somebody you can survive in that is one of the rare Possibilities and then to bring such a person into the position of power. So I am convinced when this took place It was literally there was a divine intervention, which has made this possible Of course, there's this whole system and there's this whole mass of corrupt people The ignorance the fear and insincerity and the falsehood and all that is still there But there's a clean up process that's going on for the last few years Which has given hope to people to me that's the most important thing how long that cleanup process takes place is secondary that it's happening has given hope to people and It's allowed young people to come forward and begin a process of actualizing what is their Vision and their aspiration and this is what you see Suddenly among the young people an awakening taking place In which the vitality is rising without losing the spirituality Sri Aurobindo has a very detailed description of the Requirement for India's awakening he explains this in great detail First he says what is passing for sattvic tattva, that is the purity of sattva Is not so it is in fact tamas and he was writing this 100 years ago. It's all in tales of prison life And he says it is an imitation, but it is inertia the correction for the inertia is rajas But Rajas in itself will only create confusion and all he describes all the perversions possible. So what is needed is the sattva Leading the Rajas and it is the combination of these two which will complete the process even when you turn to become sattvic There are dangers and there's a sattvic ego as well as rajasic ego and the sattvic ego might involve turning away from life Because you have something more beautiful and so he describes all this in stages and he says very interesting comment because he was describing all this in the context of India and India's awakening and he says The because of the dangers of the Rajas when it comes to strongly That might lose the sattvic rule it is for this reason The reason he says that the release of the Rajas in India has been delayed So the suggestion is that there is a great power that is leading guiding the development of this space and things are being done behind the scenes, which we do not fully see and once the sufficient base of sattva has been established the rajas being released will Serve under the influence of the sattva and this is the sense I have of the last 15 years in India Is a Passage, which I am tempted to read to you of Sri Aurobindo describing what's happening in India with the young generations coming up And it is part of this collection that is called the tales of prison life And in which he writes this about the young children For the past few years in India one can see as if a new race being created in the midst of the old That was dominated by the gross influences the earlier children of Mother India were born in an irreligious atmosphere or one of religious declined and Receiving an education in keeping with that. They had grown short lived small selfish and narrow in spirit Many powerful great souls were born among these people and it is they who have saved the race in its hour of great peril But without doing work commensurate with their energy ingenious, they only created a field for the future greatness and the marvelous activity that awaits this race It is because of their good deeds that the Rays of the new dawn are Brightening up all the corners now comes the description These new children of Mother India instead of getting the qualities of their parents Have grown bold full of power high souled Self-sacrificing Inspired by the high ideals of helping others and doing good to the country That is why instead of being obedient to their parents the young men go their own way There is a difference between the old and the young and In deciding a course of activity there is a conflict between the two The owner trying to keep these youths born of divine emanations the pioneers of a golden age Confined to the old selfish and narrow ways Without understanding they are trying to perpetuate the age of iron. You see the new children he is describing as The pioneers of the Golden Age born of divine emanations The youths are sparks born of the great energy Maha Shakti eager to build the new by destroying the old They are unable to be obedient or submit to the laws of respect for the parent God alone can remedy this discordance But the will of the great energy cannot be in vain The new generation will not leave without fulfilling the purpose for which they have come Then there's a bit of a criticism of the existing system. In the midst of the new the influence of the old lingers on Because of the fault of inferior heredity and an asuric education many black sheep have also taken births The whole educational system is asuric. This is the reality you have to say it Children commit suicide by the thousands every year at the time of exams and all over India, I know Did you know that Pondicherry has the highest rate of suicide? Pondicherry this is strange, this is very strange. It has also the highest mosquito infestation in the country hmm so wonder maybe the Pressure of the asuric influence is equally strong where the power of light is also strongest. Yes. That's how I saw it when I heard of it But and Those who have been ordained to inaugurate the new age are unable to manifest their inherent force and strength So I believe this has actually happened he is writing this way back hundred years ago It's actually happened that many who were damaged by this educational system of the colonial phase Went through this They win, they were ordained to inaugurate the new age, but unable to manifest it inherent force in strength why because of this damage and This is why it is so important for the new education to come. Yes. I think this is a very good place to stop also because perhaps we could in our next session begin with the omnipotence flaming pioneers In the Sun-eyed children of the marvelous dawn. I'll just read this last line of the place Please. Among the youth is a marvelous sign of manifesting the age of gold the religious bent of mind today we will use the word spiritual in that context and in the hearts of many a longing for yoga and half expressed yogic powers Very interesting. What year? This is, let me see 1909 Yes, it's quite amazing So it's happening and I see as they are less damaged they're coming out with greater Force and this is the reason why the Sri Aurobindo ashram was started And let me end with this Sri Aurobindo had the vision of the work to be done for India. The ashram was only meant to be the first container for Let's see the womb of the new race and Mother comments on this. She says until 1929 he had detailed plans for Starting all over India training programs for the youths We have a term in India called akhara, which is the equivalent of gymnasium in old Greece where young people come and build themselves Intellectually emotionally and physically the full development of the human being. Okay, you might call it a Deliberate spiritual training program for the youth he had plans to organize such program programs all over the country till 1929 and Afterwards, of course many other things took place and after the 1956 with the supramental manifestation Mother began this process of expansion because in a sense their Primary work had not been accomplished and you see after that Mother's program of expansion with allowing new centers to grow in different places the beginning of Auroville and the society and all those things all of which involved this process of expansion I Believe that this these were meant to be centers for the young people to grow To the extent that we have not done that we have failed But it still meant to be like that and Mother will use it. There is a phase where you build the institutional framework and then later it will be filled with the Spiritual content and nurturing content of it but Mother starting the school and building the school was also meant for this She said to Karen Joshi My work has three steps First - the school Second step - Auroville and third - India So we'll see how that works out Namaste. Thank you

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