Lose the Torch Modern Pipe Connection Methods

the broadcast is now starting all attendees are in listen-only mode well hello everybody and welcome to coffee with kalevi today this is not Bob hot rod roar he is somewhere in an airplane between California and Missouri this is Kevin freed up here in Milwaukee and today's coffee with cliffie webinar is all about modern pipe connection methods with with Cody Mac I'm sure you'll enjoy it so without further ado I'm gonna turn this over to Cody enjoy everyone are you ready Cody yes I am Kevin thank you very much welcome everybody thanks for joining us today happy Thursday as Kevin mentioned earlier our topic today is is losing that torch we're going to talk about some of the modern piping connections that are available maybe you haven't quite tried them yet but our agenda you know today we're gonna be talking about some of the kind of the standardized or Legacy type connections that you're already used to we're gonna go over some of the pros and cons and we're also going to be going over some of the other things that are driving people away from these legacy connections and pushing them towards alternative connection methods so from there we're gonna try to dive a little bit deeper into press connections packs groove PPR some of the things that we're seeing gain gaining popularity with our customer base and then we're gonna go over some of the offerings that we here at Cole EFI are making available to you to make your jobs easier that might coincide with some of these alternative piping connections so let's get right into it the first one is going to be soldering you know sweating sweating pipe it it is a tried-and-true connection method it really is an industry standard that's bad okay it's actually started in 1930 I was developed by Muller industries with their streamlined fittings one of the great things about soldered connections is that they are inexpensive and it's easy to find fittings and valves I mean you can find them at any wholesale hot supply house home improvement store whatever the case may be it's it's also inexpensive as far as your investment to start working on soldered connections you know you're just looking at your torch your solder your flux you know some of your scratch cloths on so forth just like a lot of different types of connections your your prep work is going to be key when you're doing soldering so you know it's it's one of those things that you always got to think about but but it's just something that you got to make sure you do that prep work in order to get a good clean joint from there when you are soldering it's using a capillary action to draw that molten solder into the fitting and and one of the things that's really great about soldered connections that you can see here on this on the slide is that soldered connections in most cases can be taken apart so if you are looking at something where it's just not quite in the right position or you know you need to change some some piping down the line a little bit you know you can take it apart just a quick mention here on the the right hand side we've got a nice picture from triple-h hydraulics they're out a Calgary if you want to see some some some real art work with hydraulics look up their social media and stuff like that their website - is is very very great so next we're gonna have n PT again just like sweat connections they're gonna be an industry standard the standard for NPT connections was actually developed in 1864 by a gentleman by the name of William sellers this standard included nuts bolts screws and pipe threads again inexpensive and easy to find valves and fittings you know your startup costs there are going to be investing in some wrenches whether they be pipe wrenches channel locks so on so forth NPT is available in many different as well so you've got your black iron pipe you've got your brass bronze plastic piping you've got copper NPT connections as well as stainless steel and so on and so forth so it's it's a it's available across a broad range of of connections or material types also just like sweat you can take it apart as long as it has entrusted together for about five decades and in which case you just got to get out that 4-foot 4-foot pipe wrench and and get a few guys on it now let's talk about some of the things that are driving contractors away from these legacy connections with soldering like I mentioned previously prep is everything cutting deburring sanding flexing it's a time-consuming process and and while I'm sure that there are many out there many people out there including people on this actual webinar that would contest the speed of soldered connections and plumbing and hydronic applications I I think somebody that's going to be fast at soldering is going to be fast at any other connection option available if given the opportunity so I you know it's it's a it's not a it's not a good excuse you know not to look at some of these alternative connection methods the other big thing is going to be safety safety is a huge issue in today's world of liability it's it's something you can't overlook safety and applies not only to the structure or the home that you're working in but but to the contractor as well to the guy working on the actual system open flames can clearly start unwanted fires but you're also working with hot fittings and you're working with solder that inevitably drips and and finds a place on your body that that makes you curse like a longshoreman but this along with a lot of other safety concerns or why I never wore any jewelry like my wedding ring or anything like that while I was out in the field because you know you you got to really try to say stay as safe as possible while you're out there working now when it comes to NPT same thing threaded connections are time-consuming about the only exception to this rule is if you are working out of a nipple tray the the the ability to start up with NPT connections does require an investment in tools if you are going to be threading your own pipe whether it going it's going to be a manual threader or you can see there in the lower right a power threader from Ridgid or the like the next big thing with with NPT is is that you're typically dealing with steel pipe in a lot of cases and and you're looking at a lot of debris inside those pipes you know you've got your cutting oil you've got dirt you're gonna have a dope from your ceiling methods your tape as well and it's something that's going to be getting inside your system when plumbing or hydraulic you know it's something that you you don't want in there thread connection or thread condition excuse me is also a big issue even the best threading tools with the the sharpest eyes can can tear up threads on a piece of pipe depending on the quality of the pipe and things like that you even run into problems transporting NPT threaded pipe I've seen it banged into walls drug across floors and and all the like and and then after that's all said and done you need to put a fitting on it and and it's it's something you really got to watch out for and again like I said with NPT and especially in hydronic systems you're typically using steel pipe and and this is going to be much more susceptible to corrosion I've actually heard of many contractors going completely non-ferrous with their their hydronic jobs we're talking about closed loop systems so I mean the chances for corrosion and oxidization are very small so I think this might be overkill but especially in a closed system but it certainly can't hurt when it comes to oxidization and things like that now here's a big one when you're in areas that are prone to wildfires or you're working in healthcare or nursing home type facilities a lot of those facilities and a lot of those areas of the country are going to require what are referred to as hot work and hot work permits are really one of the big driving forces behind alternative connections because these alternative connections are going to as we've already talked about lose the torch so the biggest some of the bigger downsides with hot work permits is that they typically are going to require two people on the job one of which is going to be fire watch certified from there there's a laundry list of things that you got to do as far as making sure that you put down non combustible flooring or cover up things you know you're sweeping and cleaning methods before and after it also requires typically a permit whether it be through the facility that you're working in or through the fire department in the local area the fire watch rated our fire watch certified person is also going to have to remain on site after that work is completed for a designated amount of time to make sure that nothing you know starts on fire so that way they can take care of it so a big thing throughout the country we've we've seen in a lot of a lot of the news and a lot of the media that that obviously wire wildfires are nothing to mess around with so we want to make sure that we not only stay safe for ourselves but for our communities as well now this is a topic that is very near and dear to my heart the labor shortage having worked in the field and catching the brunt of this problem I'm really happy to see that contractors wholesalers colleges and so on are addressing the skilled trades the Biewer the Bureau of Labor and Statistics is actually projecting a 15 to 16 percent increase in employment of HVAC and plumbing fields between now and twenty 26 this is compared to seven percent growth or average growth rate of all other occupations so you can see there's going to be a pretty big jump and and the problem is is that there's just not enough skilled labor to go around and and this is really putting a lot of the contractors and and and a lot of the service guys in a real pickle because the the work doesn't go away it only keeps adding up so it I think a lot of these alternative connection methods are going to make jobs a lot easier a lot quicker and get you moving from the one job to the next I would have to say the the biggest splash and in modern piping connections for plumbing and hydronic applications has to be press you know it's it's it's a great a great connection method that Vega actually introduced to the world in in 1989 and many other manufacturers of followed suit you know nib Co JW so on and so forth press options are are now available for copper for stainless steel and even black iron pipe these connections are made with a press tool that's going to encompass the fitting you can kind of see this this little enlarged portion of the fitting on each side and and from there that press tool is going to encompass that fitting with a set of jaws or a ring and and just crimp it down this not only keeps the from moving but it compresses the o-ring around the pipe that you're joining remember that different materials will require different jaws so please you know look to the tool manufacturer that you're working with for guidance on that one but in most cases you're gonna have a set of jaws for copper and a set of jaws for stainless steel or black iron or whatever you happen to be working with so its biggest advantage is going to be time savings there's no disputing that but it's also fantastic for wet repairs when you just can't get that water to stop trickling out of that water you know out of that line you can you can put the bag up right away it's if you don't have to worry about keeping a few slices on the truck you can just use that press tool and it's gonna make your life a lot easier I've even seen guys replacing valves on water mains with with a press tool live and ensure they take a nice bath but but they got the job done while the the fittings are more expensive than traditional sweat or NPT fittings the the labor savings just by itself can typically justify the costs if anything a press tools or press connections can allow you to get to the next job faster which is you know as we all know gonna that's gonna put more money in the bank for you so one thing to consider with press is that it is permanent you know once you've pressed that fitting you know if it's the wrong fitting or it's not in the right spot you're gonna be cutting it out and that's kind of one of the big downsides of press in my opinion but but you know if you've got that fitting and it's not quite angled the right way I have heard of guys that have been able to turn the fittings at that point the you know that are not pointing in the right direction and press them again now luckily I haven't run into that situation myself but it stands to reason that it should work I mean again you're just looking at an o-ring that's sealing to the surface of the the outside diameter of the pipe so as long as that o-ring is still intact you know more power to you one thing you really have to consider as well with press because of the size of the tool and and how it needs to operate is is you got to think about you know the possibility of painting yourself into a corner it's a it's a real issue and and so there is a bit of a learning curve with press tools and it's it's not a lot but but you really got to be thinking a few steps ahead and it's it's really crucial because that tool just won't fit everywhere you know you're working in tight sill boxes you know underneath cabinets you know so on so forth you know you just got to really think think ahead on where that tool is going to be able to fit excuse me one thing that I've actually seen come about in the last few years and and our good friend Erik Ani over a mechanical hub has been been talking about pretty frequently is these ring kits you can actually see them down here at the bottom the ring kits allow you to put that ring around the fitting and then actually use the press tool on the ring kit and then the press tool has a full range of motion 180 degrees and it doesn't have to be perpendicular to the pipe this is I think this is a really as a game-changer for those tight space kind of jobs and and it's it's good to see innovations like that coming down the pipeline so but just like sweat or NPT connections prep is is going to be a key item like I said the learning curve is pretty quick but beyond cutting the pipe you you really need to make sure that pipe is clean so if there's any paint on it or any oils or greases or anything like that you want to clean that off and then you're gonna deeper it you're gonna deeper the inside and outside diameter of the pipe you want to make sure that there's nothing on the exterior or the outside of that pipe that's going to scratch or mangle up that oring as you put that fitting on to the pipe it's also wise to look for scratches in the pipe or something that might be stamped into the pipe as well remember inside that fitting it's it's an older and that o-ring needs to seal to that that pipe and if it's not doing that you're looking at a leak this here is going to be a great look and install I believe it's out of New York in this particular case they're using some of our separators here one of our air separators our discal air separators and one of our our dirt Meg dirt and magnetic separators down there at the bottom as well and and one thing I want to point out here is that you've got this whole wall full of press connections on this grate look at it install but you'll notice it's kind of hard to see in the picture here without zooming in but you'll notice that those those two separators are in sweat and and what I want you to always remember is that here at Clough we are working very hard to add more and more new products with alternative connections this job actually was just installed prior to our press offerings in those air and dirt separator lines and so just remember to keep an eye on our product offerings and make sure that you're keeping up with that as well so we are now offering those in one to two inch sizes and again we're adding more and more product every year now as I mentioned before press is is applicable to many different types of pipe it's also a great solution for whatever you're moving through the pipe as well so they they actually have options for gases and and even refrigeration typically with gases you're looking at different types of ceiling elements inside that fitting so if you're using some of the like the Viegas stuff it's gonna be a different colored gasket and so on and so forth or even a different different paint mark on the fitting and things like that but what I thought was really cool is is sporran actually currently even has press options or their zoom lock fittings for for refrigeration I can't count how many times they've been trying to braze align set a tight tight area and and just praying that that I'm not setting anything on fire so that's it's I think that's a really cool option and be curious to see how well that that goes for him so but for plumbing and hydronic applications most of the major manufacturers are using EPDM seals these are going to be typically used for your water and your glycol Solutions and and just like our press confidence that we use in all of our press lineup most are incorporating some type of leak detection with their o-rings and this allows you to detect joints that haven't been pressed so if you put water or fluid or pressure inside that system though the fluid is actually gonna leak out through that o-ring around the fitting and it'll allow you to say hey wait a second you know I need to press that the blessing and the curse with press connections is that they are incredibly easy to dry fit when you're installing to get everything laid out exactly where you want it but when you have a wall full of fittings it's it's surprisingly easy to forget one so something to remember there now when it comes to piping materials packs or cross-linked polyethylene is certainly leading the way when it comes to alternatives for plumbing and heating applications and this piping material is available all the way up to you know sizes up to four inches in diameter and and comes in with many different options for connections as well it's also available in a few different flavors you're gonna tip eclis have your packs a or pecs B and PEC C as well you've got some of your pecs all pecs and and so on so forth but some of those different options there may dictate the connections that are being used one thing to remember is that the the a B and C designations are not a grading system okay these designations are just telling you how the polyethylene was cross-linked now opinions on packs a B and C are really a it's a Chevy versus Ford kind of debate as they all have some pluses and minuses but typically we're seeing the a and B varieties being most common no matter which packs you choose they all have to adhere by the same ASTM standard and standard for pressures temperatures and radiuses dimensions so on and so forth so don't be worried about that but packs became a part of history in the late 1960s it was actually started the cross-linking method was actually developed by a man named Thomas goal but it was in the European markets for quite some time but it actually didn't land in North America until the mid 80s I find it absolutely incredible to think that that's something that is roughly 50 years old can still be considered new technology by it by a lot of people you know and impacts really had its hurdles in the beginning of its life in our market but it is gaining market share like crazy just due to its flexibility its costs and ease of installation I actually know quite a few plumbers that won't even quote copper systems anymore on a first quote unless somebody asks for it because they just can't be as efficient and effective as they can be with with packs versus copper the rough start packs had in our market had a lot to do with previous tubing options like poly butylene potti poly butylene has since gone the way of the dodo in North America but but it had a terrible reputation and it wasn't necessarily due to their pipe it was due to their fittings but the problem here is that pecks is not poly butylene but but because of its similarities it did take a lot of slack in the beginning now last but not least depending on your application whether it be plumbing or hydronic closed-loop hydronic type systems you're gonna want to be aware of the oxygen barrier options that are available so there are non barrier tubing options and oxygen barrier tubing options the oxygen barrier is something that you're gonna need in your closed-loop hydronic system and it's actually a polymer layer on the outside of the pipe and and without it oxygen can actually diffuse through the wall of the pipe on stays standard plumbing packs which you're going to find they're on the left and and this oxygen will like I said diffuse through the pipe and increase the oxidization and failure of any ferrous components in your systems this is going to be things like cast iron velu pumps piping's casts or black iron piping expansion tanks and even boilers too for that matter so you really got to be careful on the type of tubing that you're using now in some cases a lot of the non barrier tubing that you're gonna find for for plumbing applications is going to be a really dull matte finish on the outside so if you do see a dull matte finish typically that's gonna be your non barrier tubing and in most cases with the oxygen barrier tubing it's gonna be a little shinier on the outside so it's it's pretty easy to see at a glance for most most brands now let's go over the two most popular connection types that I'm seeing now this won't include manifolds for you know some of your radiant heating applications those are typically going to be using some form of compression fitting but but the first that we're going to find for connecting packs to two fittings is is going to be copper crimp rings these are going to be the ASTM F 18:07 fitting that you're gonna find that's available for use with pretty much any packs that's out there it's that's gonna be this guy in the upper left corner here it's an inexpensive option to enter the world of packs and it's available at most home improvement stores and certainly available at a lot of your wholesale supply houses in in the case of these crimp rings you just slide the crimp ring over the tubing and then the tubing over the fitting and and at that point you just use the manual crimp tool to secure that ring down to the outside of the pipe or the tube and and you're done this connection it can be a bit clumsy as you try to position the ring in the tool and if you're trying to balance on a ladder and all that other fun stuff but it can also make for a difficult installation and tight spaces because you do you know just like those press connections I was talking about earlier you've got that tool and it can be a bit long in order to be able to crimp down that ring now the next one and and I'm seeing this stuff just absolutely everywhere is going to be cold expansion connections now the one thing to remember with cold expansion connections is that this is a connection that is exclusive to packs a piping packs a piping is typically going to be your open or your Ray how your su chief in and in in this cap location you're gonna slide at peck's ring over the outside diameter of the tubing you can kind of see it here in that lower right picture that those little Peck strings right there and after that you're gonna use an expansion tool on the inside of the tubing now this expansion tool can be powered or manual if you're Popeye and and you use it to expand the end of the tubing and the ring and once that is expanded you can actually slide it right over the fitting okay and and once you slide it over that fitting the tubing is gonna because the packs a piping has a memory it wants to revert back to its original size and in its original shape so it's gonna lock down on that barbed fitting and and it's going to forever be trying to get back to that original size another nice thing about cold expansion is that these fittings are available in brass like you can see here this is one of our our expansion type fittings that we offer and then they do also offer plastic or engineered polymer fittings as well for typically for plumbing applications I'm finding that many prefer the expansion connections just due to the fact that when you you've got your fittings and those fittings aren't actually throttling down as far as the inside diameter and and the fittings for the cold expansion are going to much closer match the original inside diameter of the tubing through the material in even though marginal you're gonna have a little bit less pressure drop through these fittings through the the cold expansion type fittings so a lot of guys really like that now one thing to watch out for with these cold expansion fittings is going to be your ambient temperatures when your press or excuse me when you're expanding these and cold temperatures the the tubing is going to want to come back to its original shape but when it's cold out it's gonna take a bit longer to do that and it might not even get there by the time you're looking to pressure test so if you are looking to use this type of a fitting in a low ambient temperature application just make sure to bring a heat gun with you and you can warm up those fittings a little bit and and then it'll suck it right back down into place now there are actually quite a few other options for packs and and you know I went over the two most popular kind of more in-depth but but there are quite a few others you know for example you in the upper left here you've got the stainless steel cent rings this is gonna be a similar process to the crimp rings it's you know the fittings are actually going to be similar that's the same AF ASTM F 1807 fittings but but then from there you've got companies like vieja that are actually introducing press connections onto their packs you're gonna have installation procedures with these guys that are going to be similar to pressing fittings to hard pipe but it does require the use of a special manual tool or you can even get a special jaw set for for your powered press tools as well there's actually another pretty unique fitting for your packs a piping and the lower-left right there and this is going to be it's an ASTM F 2 0 8 0 standard and and it's similar to the cold expansion type fittings this was made popular by Ray Howell for example but there are other manufacturers using it now as well instead of using a pack string on the outside and expanding the whole pipe and the PEC string you're actually going to just use a metal sleeve and you're gonna expand the inside of the pipe push it on to that fitting and then actually slide that sleeve over the the pecs and the the pipe using that tool that you can see there this connection system is incredibly stout it's it's very I would even say bulletproof for a lot of cases but but it can come with a price tag typically your fittings are going to be a little bit more expensive just because you're not only buying the fitting but the metal sleeves as well and last is going to be push fittings not necessarily my favorite in the whole wide world but they do have their merits they can be used on packs as well as see PVC and copper I think these are going to be great for temporary repairs the one thing I really like about them is that you can remove them and and take them with you and use them on another job if you need to so now let's look into some of the options that are more available for the commercial in the larger larger pipe market the first one here that we see a lot and in a lot of our commercial applications is going to be grooved coupling pipe joining systems again very popular especially among the larger commercial jobs and especially fire sprinkler systems this is going to be a great option compared to NPT or welding NPT obviously you're bringing all those tools you're bringing all that stuff with you and and welding for example you've got your your inherent risks when it comes to fires or fumes that the fumes alone from welding can bring their own potential health concerns but but this particular type of a system you can see these fittings up here and then the circled in the red there these are going to be mechanical couplings and they're they're pretty easy to put together typically you can use either a socket and a wrench or or you can use an impactor and I've seen actually being used at a lot of jobs but it's a mechanical company that allows you to connect two pieces of pipe or fitting to a pipe and and it uses a groove and you can kind of see this cutaway down here on the lower right here where you can actually see just a little bit of a groove in each pipe on each side and that coupling joins into that groove and and holds those two pieces of pipe together now that groove that's in that pipe that allows the coupler to hold them together is is typically rolled into the pipe but it can also be cut now rigid and other popular manufacturers they they make these machines and some of which can even attach the pipe threader's for example but from there you know you've got a gasket on the inside of that coupling and that that gasket is engaged when the coupling is completely tightened down again very popular option among the commercial sector especially like I said fire sprinkler systems but they also do a lot of other different types of industries as well when I was looking this up I really I enjoy history and when I was looking this up I was I was intrigued to find out that groove couplings actually originated in the early 20s there was a man as the most earnest tribe and and he saw some of the big problems with the current day pipe joining methods that were being used actually on flamethrowers flamethrowers of all things and in in trench warfare in World War one and and this is actually what started the victory pipe joint company which then later became victaulic for example the groove coupling actually allowed for a bit of flexibility in the joint which allowed for easy site fabrication and quick site fabrication and and it decreased the potential for leaks which if you're carrying a flamethrower is a big issue and it also increased productivity you know when you're taking it apart and putting it back together and moving things around these days you can get flexible or rigid couplings but but this this particular method was quickly adopted by the military at that time you know to be used for fuel and water transport but it also moved into other applications like plumbing and hydraulics really really quickly again a great a great connection type that we're seeing used a lot now groov is not just for steel pipe they're actually they make options for copper as well you can see here we've got a nice high-low thermostatic mixing valve assembly here with some of our thermostatic mixing valves hiding out behind some of that unist right there I'm actually seeing too that they're they're developing options for for rolled groove on our groove fittings on CPVC as well so so there's even more things coming down the pipeline they're there to think about this here's a great great photo it's not only showing groove fittings it's showing some of the welded fittings as well so but it's it's showing one of our combination aired dirt and magnetic separators and this this is an installation that's actually at a television station in Canada but yeah a Oh funny funny story our rep in the area on this particular job was actually showing building management the capabilities of the separator and and they were performing a blowdown on that separator you know getting all the dirt and debris that separator caught and and getting it out of the system and and during that demonstration the hose came flying out of the bucket and actually ruined a nice pair of shoes and our good friend Ryan he had to say a few nice words about the shoes and put them to rest so if you see Ryan asked him about his shoes now the the next option here for piping and connections that I think has been really making a really big impression on the North American market is going to be PPR you'll you can see it here in this photo of this mechanical room it's going to be this brightly colored blue and green they also make other options for gray water and fire suppression systems as well but but most of the hydronic stuff is going to be blue but PPR or or polypropylene random is is a fairly new piping for the North American market and it's actually been in use since the 80s in Europe but it's it's only been introduced in the North American market since the mid 2000s and and it was first introduced into Canada and then slowly came down into the United States but PPR is is a great substitute for steel piping on larger jobs the advantages with PPR lie in the cost it also the weight of the pipe typically your PPR piping is going to be about 75 to 80 percent less weight than a comparable metal pipe it also allows you a lot of options for on-site fabrication as well it's also great for harsh water conditions and TPR is actually it's it's when you're putting together PPR pipe it's joined using what's called a fusion welding process now in this process depending on what you're doing if you're doing a socket or a fusion type weld you're going to clean up that that pipe and if you're doing a few a button type weld you're gonna square up the end of that pipe by shaving a bit off but then at that point you're gonna heat both sides together at the same time again whether it's a butt fusion or a socket fusion type weld and then after that that connection has been heated for a specific time you're going to put those two pieces together and and again for a specific time you're gonna let those two pieces cure and after that socket fusion or that fusion type welding process that that weld is actually it's a homogenous pipe at that point it sits there there's nothing that's part of the weld that's different than any other part of the pipe and it's all one piece at that point typically you're you're probably going to recognize some of the fusion welding processes from your high-density polyethylene pipe that's used for say like geothermal loop fields and and underground gas lines as well but but that's exactly the same way that you're doing with your PPR stuff as well now there is a learning curve for the use of this product there will also be an upfront cost for the tools involved but you you can do a lot of cool things with this you can also you can connect you know two pipes together using a butt weld without using any form of a coupling you can also mitre piping to create your own elbows on-site it's it's a really cool cool process and a cool material but now because fusion welding does require heat this can sometimes be an issue and in low ambient temperatures one thing to consider is that you know when you've got those low ambient temperatures is that you know things cool off and heat up you know a lot quicker depending on how warm or cold the jobsite is so so just remember that but another thing to consider that I think is even more important is is thermal expansion when you're using PPR depending on the length of the runs and the range of temperatures you you can run into inches of expansion within a pipe that must be accounted for so in a lot of cases you're gonna find that you know engineers will specify expansion loops in there and that that allows the pipe to move and move freely without being constrained it's also going to be a permanent connection so just like press connections that we talked about earlier if you're making a mistake get out your sawzall now this particular mechanical room that I was showing you there is actually a mechanical room for a chicken barn chickens are our big business up in Canada and I thought it was I you know doing a little research on this and and and and I I found it very interesting to know that when you're maintaining ideal temperatures and the chicken barn those chickens are going to be you know depending on their their temperature are going to to feed more and eat more and and this allows them to actually get the chickens - you know mere ounces to five pounds and roughly about five weeks it's pretty incredible but you know anything to get their weight up as quick as possible you know so that way they can get to my dinner table so I'm all about it now PPR you know really got us got its hold in in the commercial market as an alternative for those big steel jobs and it's it's it's not just for those big jobs anymore we're actually finding a lot of these jobs as these small jobs especially throughout Canada where it has been a lot more popular and was introduced a little earlier you can see here we've got a job this was actually a garage installation or a garage and floor heating system that our good friend Graham installed and then we've got you know the pipe being used along with our dirt maggot separator here on the right again they offer it and actually all the way up to I think it's 24 inch sizes if I remember correctly but but they still offer it down in those small sizes too so something to consider now one one question that came up pretty regularly throughout the registration questions or the questions that came in with registration was the longevity or the how these fittings and these alternative methods are going to hold up over time you know you can't help but be a little bit skeptical you know if you you know you're used to what you know and and something else new comes along you can't help but be skeptical but but I that you're always gonna have a lot of early adopters that latch onto these these particular connections these new items pretty quickly and then you're gonna have those those from the camp that always say you know I've been doing it for 30 years this exact same way why would I ever change and and I've worked for both types of companies and and each have their reasons each have their horror stories from the days of say non barrier tubing or the poly butylene or whatever maybe maybe some job that just went south that they they didn't they didn't make any money on but but most of these manufacturers for these alternative piping and alternative connection methods are going to have a pretty wild warranty on their their products and and these these companies are they're just massive companies and they're doing great these days but the other thing to remember is that that these connections and these options have been available in most cases for a really long time you know I mentioned before is it's not new technology it just might be a little bit newer for the North American market so don't don't be afraid you know it's it's something you know obviously like I said you got the poly butylene you've got the Kai Tak stuff you know people are afraid of new items but a lot of this stuff that I'm talking about here is stuff that has been around for quite a while so another big thing that comes up pretty regularly is is taking the skill out of the trade it's it's something I hear often too often when it comes to alternative connections and piping and I really don't think it's a huge issue I still think the skill is in the trade but it's just being typically put elsewhere into the trade you know when you're looking at these jobs you've got controls you've got combustion analysis you've got system design and efficiency you know this isn't this isn't the good old days of forgiving cast-iron boilers that that that weigh as much as a car you know and this means that you're gonna have to think about the job you know you got to try and you know typically you're trying to cram ten pounds of stuff into a five-pound bag and and in some of these new piping options and connection options can can allow you to to make some shortcuts on the job and make that job go a little bit quicker but it is going to be what you make it you know I've seen jobs before with with even nothing but but push fittings that that can look better than most solder copper jobs before and and I don't know how they got a picture of my basement up here but we're gonna flip it over to the next slide here and we're going to talk about some of the options that we here at coal Fe are offering to contractors as as solutions to these problems you know that you're trying to find alternative connection methods and and and we try to push those into our products based on your recommendations so so here we've got our flanged options in our commercial line of air dirt and hydraulic separators this is going to be typically anything with that we've got with flanges are steel vessel items now on these steel vessels that we that we produce we use an SI 150 flanges and now the big thing with these guys is that they allow for easy transition to a lot of other connection types you know I we had pictures in previous slides where we showed flange connections going to groove piping and even PPR fittings as well this particular picture shows a flanged hydraulic separator there on the right going to a press connection this is a great look and install by the way from Curt Curt cagoule in Minnesota and this was actually a church where they gutted the whole boiler room and just absolutely started over the the pile of piping that was ripped out of this job was quite impressive you can also see some of our our real nice quick set of balancing valves hiding over there as well so great job on that one Curt thank you now again different options for connections you've got a flange connection they're actually going to what I believe is see PVC this is gonna be a chilled water job out in California you can see that guys sweating sweating like a banshee so and then on our smaller items you know typically our smaller items are going to be half through two inch sized valves you can see here in the picture here we've got a few of our different models on here but but one of the things that make us us really unique at kalevi with a lot of our product is going to be our union options these are going to be similar to unions that you're going to see on plumbing or gas piping but but our unions are going to use a straight thread on them and this is also known as a BS PP or a G thread this is a very common thread and many of the components manufactured outside in North America but but this particular picture here shows some of our products like our mixing valves here right in the middle from there you've got our zone valve in the upper left and our balancing valve down here as well this particular picture shows all a lot of the products with our 1 inch straight thread Union connections and on the right here we've got some of our various tail pieces is what we refer to them the tail piece is what allows you to go from that union to whatever connection type you're working with not only does this Union allow us to be flexible with the different connection types but it also allows for serviceability in the future especially when you're looking at plumbing and hydronic systems you know there's a good chance that you're gonna have to take something apart someday and having a union is going to be an absolute blessing and it's going to have to you know keep you from cutting pipe and breathe threading connections or or soldering down the road so a really cool little guy down here on the bottom again I had it in a previous slide it's going to be our latest addition which is our expandable a cold expansion packs fittings the ASTM F 1960 that's that's used with popular options like open or and soo chief and Rea how you can actually see it connected here on the bottom you can see it here connected on the bottom to a new product that's coming down the line this is going to be our serviceable spring check valve it's a stainless steel body with unions on either side and you can pull it out anytime without cutting pipe and service it if you need to so I'm really cool little out in there now all of our unions are going to use what are called sealing washers and and sealing washers are used to to create a watertight seal from the tail pieces that I talked about earlier to the product that you're working with whether it be a pressure reducing valve or a hydraulic separator these sealing washers are gonna be much like gaskets on an engine and they are going to be typically one-time use only if you are going to be taking something apart I would highly recommend having a fresh set of sealing washers with you we offer many different sizes of sealing washers for our product but but a great tip for any of them is actually to wet the washers down before installing them this is this is going to activate the adhesives on the faces of the ceiling washer and and make an airtight seal right away so that way if you are doing any air pressure testing it's going to help you out there but but it also helps to create a better seal long term wetting them like I said it activates that adhesive and and and really helps them to stick together so another thing to remember that when tightening down these unions on our product a little a little bit of force go is an absolutely long way I'll absolutely long ways so put down that big cheater bar and everything else you know you you really don't have to go after it too hard and in a lot of cases you can actually crush these sealing washers so be very careful so our unions they offer a lot of flexibility and this can also be a source of confusion as well but we've really tried to make this pretty easy for you guys in our catalog whether it be printed or our PDF format that's available online we actually have a fitting configuration table that you can see here hiding out in section 8 of our catalog this allows you to find the product that you're working with on the the left-hand side here and and it allows you to see all of the different fittings sizes and connections that we offer for every different product what I've got circled here you know outlined here in red is going to be the options that we have available for one-inch unions for those 1-inch unions we have 1/2 inch 3/4 and 1 inch connections available in NPT male and female NPT Sweatt prospects crimp and expansion there's there's a lot of different options there and and you know just another great resource for you if you're looking at you know what what can we connect this up to now the other thing that's really cool about Union type fittings typically you're gonna have a union on either end of whatever type of valve or fitting that you're working with and and one of the things that might have caught your eye with that serviceable spring check that I showed you earlier is that we actually had a press fitting on one side and we had packs fitting on the other this is a fantastic thing about unions that you you can actually transition from you know connection types from one side of the fitting to the you know or one side of the valve to the other so you know for example here and and this is a photo from our lab this is our one of our 132 quick set er pluses and over here I've actually got a male NPT connection on the on the inlet and then from there I've got press on the outlet I also added a nice little ball valve there for isolation and and male NPT by press connection on the other side of that now on on the bottom here we've got our one of our you know infamous z1 zone valves for hydronic applications and and say you're working with a black iron Hatter off of a boiler we've got a female NPT connection here on the inlet and from there you excuse me you can just go straight to press without having to create a transition or anything like that elsewhere in the system and so excuse me this is just something that can make your life a lot a lot easier and do that transition with your valve all in one foul swoop now you might be thinking why on earth were some of these fittings like what we saw in in some of the previous slides why were these fitting so long you know why do they need to be so long but but a lot of these foul or these fittings allow us to install optional check valves this is especially important in some of our plumbing products for example our our anti scald mixing valve for example this is going to be our a SSC 1070 point-of-use mixing valve and per the asse standard it requires check valves at both the hot and cold Inlet so you'll see here that that larger section here not only does it help you put a backing wrench on it but but it is a nice spot for a check valve as well so you might notice in this picture on the left here that the guy you know the installation contractor had quite a few fittings on there to adapt it from you know the connection options that we had at the time to get it down to 3/8 compression but but now we're actually offering that point of views mixing valve which is typically used underneath sinks and for maybe a bank of laboratories or something like that we're actually offering that now with Direct Connect 3 come 3/8 compression fittings so it allows you to connect up your standard hoses directly to that valve without adapters so to sum it all up here you know the torch isn't the only answer you know NPT is something that you know I don't see soldering or NPT connections going away anytime soon I I call them legacy connections because I really don't think they're gonna die at least not in my lifetime but but there's a lot of great options out there for piping and connections so just keep yourself open you know a lot of times the reps for these these products will allow you to demo or sample them for a specific job you know and and don't be afraid to try that so and the other thing to remember is that here at kalevi we are here to help you know so if you have any questions pertaining the product or anything like that or connection types you know don't hesitate to call us and and it may surprise you you know you know much of our catalog is actually comprised of product that was inspired by requests from people like you say thank you very much Cody for a great job today talking about alternative piping connections and I'm gonna pass it back over to you to close out oh well thank you very much mark I hope everybody enjoyed today's webinar if anything maybe it gave you a little bit of bit of information that you didn't know before and and maybe might help push you in the direction of one of those alternative methods and and you guys have a great day