Marianne Williamson On Standing Tall In The 2020 Race Love In Politics Her New Book

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yes the one most dangerous morning show The Breakfast Club Charlemagne to God Angela Yee DJ envy is off and we have 2020 Democratic presidential candidate and author of the new book of politics of love marianne williamson is here good morning that's a great title Yeah right now look at the subtitle a handbook for a new American Revolution explain a little bit I think that we need a fundamental pattern disruption of the economic and social and political status quo in this country and I don't think that will come from incremental change I think we need a genuine nonviolent revolution you know and it's a revolution of consciousness it begins with something inside us and awakening from the delusion that if we just make incremental change or go along with the same-old same-old even the better version of the same-old same-old that that will actually stop the slide that has been occurring for the last 40 years we have 40% of all Americans who live with chronic economic tension and anxiety that will not be changed by just tweaking things here and tweaking things there you know basically well we need to return to the principles that this country is founded on its principles not policies that will change because otherwise it even with with deep economic change those the very things we do that are good can be repealed that can be changed we need transformation at a deeper level and that has to include the consciousness of the American people which includes the realization that the conventional political establishment is the problem they're not the solution yeah you know even when you say return to the principles of America we've never had them it's never been freedom justice and equality for everyone but that doesn't mean we didn't have the principle that's the irony of this country we do have the principles the principles which were established in the Declaration of Independence all people are created equal God gave all people in alienable rights of life liberty in the pursuit of happiness governments were instituted to to secure those rights and it is the right of the people to alter or abolish that government if it fails to do its job those are the principles and they were established by men who actually were risking their lives to sign that document but the irony as we all know is that out of 50 some odd of them 41 of them were slave owners so that dichotomy has always been there it is our characterological DNA we have always from the very beginning been both we are both these aspirational enlightened principles which are our mission statement this is why Martin Luther King said we're just here to cash a check we're not here something if this was already promised to us we have always been in every generation including ours a mix of those who take this very seriously and mean it and those who are very clear that we will not be doing that oh so we do need to alter and abolish this government cuz they haven't done any job III say with alter let's go with alter alter alter when they were talking about us they meant Jordans the third at this point alter gradual but there is a national rather there is an a a characterological revolutionary spirit to being an American that we have forgotten we have forgotten a rambunctiousness in fact it's now clear the American Revolution is an ongoing process it has been sustained by little mini revolutions your abolition was a mini revolution women's suffrage was a mini revolution with civil rights with a mini revolution and we need a mini revolution right now what do you think about what just happened in Oklahoma and what we see going on with the opioid settlements that are happening and Johnson and Johnson being found guilty and having to pay five hundred and seventy two million dollars we were having a discussion about that and the responsibilities that these pharmaceutical companies have so what do you think about these settlements and you think there's gonna be a whole lot more coming well there are Attorney General's all over the country which are suing now these huge pharmaceutical executives you know half a billion dollars to Johnson and Johnson I think we should ask ourselves what how big an amount that is actually in the larger picture of things I read a tweet from a man from Croatia recently and he said I've never known a country speaking about us he said I've never known a country so invested in protecting its abusers oh I mean what is it with us with big pharma I mean what is it so whether it's big pharmaceutical companies or health insurance companies or gun manufacturers or chemical companies or agribusiness companies or oil and gas company or defense contractors or or nuclear industry the fact that we're just like oh well I guess if the problem is in us you know at a certain point it's not about what happens to you it's about who you are in the space of what happens to you whether or not you respond when none of this is new locks know this Jews know this none of this is new let this where our generation is not dealing with anything conceptually that other generations haven't dealt with let's just not be the first one to wimp out on doing what it takes to push this stuff back is it possible because you know you're all about love and peace as most of us are but is it possible to be morally sound in a country that's so driven by money when everything is money money money this country is not a monolith I think the American people are good people and I don't think that the average American is driven by money and most of the people who are driven by money are driven by money because they are placed in a survival mode what about the people in positions of power oh well we want to be really careful you know this not every rich person is a greedy bastard any more than every then every poor person is noble and pure I mean there are billionaires who agree with everything you and I are saying here it's corrupt systems and I think we need to be careful about that because demonizing individuals is the opposite of a non-violent revolution it's it's calling the system on it's corruption and we are every moment we're spending demonizing an individual we're not spending organizing the change and that's where we need to be now just me or did the media not give you the coverage he gives other candidates uh-uh yeah I didn't understand as a matter of fact when joy Reid asked you mmm I saw you and she said who's been on your show really talking about reparation and you mentioned somebody who had said a whole lot less on the topic than I had who did I mention I don't want to stake a family but I don't think I said it into like she was really for I don't think but it was it was the absence of me Pleasant but I'm just saying it's in the air it's in the ether hello everybody as a Charlamagne there's no way talking about it as much as you a lot of the candidates now that came on in favor of it I think it's because you use spark the conversation thank you but I think the conversation now but we need to just keep pushing is between reparations as quote unquote race-based policies versus reparations and that to me is a very important distinction because race-based policies first of all it leaves open the question whose fault is this it leaves out the historical narrative it's it's separate it's separate from what actually happened and what's actually happening the reason reparations matter in my opinion is because they carry moral force it is there is an inherent Maricopa there is an inherent acknowledgement of a wrong that was done a debt that is owed and the willingness on the part of a people to pay it which then which then releases spiritual force and emotional and psychological influence and and impact that that goes beyond just economic restitution that's kind of like with the opioid addiction they're paying right they have to pay people for destroying their communities and nowhere near of course on the same level but it's kind of like a smaller version of what we're dealing with as far as reparations for slavery yes absolutely the idea of of economic reparation economic restitution when a wrong has been done absolutely and in reparations for slavery should not be seen I believe is any different than that I'm not gonna lie I do forget that you're running for president sometime only because I just think you're just too good for it I saw your bill more I think Bill Maher said that to you and I'm like I agree with him totally I don't think you're too good to be running for president well that's very kind of you to say and very generous of you to say but very ironic yeah we're we're in trouble if we're in trouble if that's the case yeah you know then we're in trouble if that's the case first of all I'm no better than anybody else that's it's not about superior personhood cuz I'm not a superior personhood but I think the conversation that my campaign is having is politically and socially and even economically did you see a big boost after the Democratic debates in Detroit because well I and then I saw a big smear that followed that you know they slapped me down real quick as soon as that was over with a you know she's anti medicine she's anti science she's dangerous she's crazy she's a crystal lady she's a grifter I mean that was very clear so you know somebody was like I thought she yeah must have upset somebody you you are tall kind of right you are tall those things in a good way to her no I'm not anti science in any way shape or size and I'm not anti medicine in any way shape or form and I'm not dangerous and I'm not crazy and I'm not a crystal lady not that I have a problem with crystals but it's just not part of my thing and uh I'm hardly a grifter I saw you on Anderson Cooper and y'all had a little back-and-forth because he bought up your old comments about antidepressants well I don't even think it's that they were old comments it's that there was such a mischaracterization of what they mean because to me the antidepressant issue is no different than what you were talking about with Big Pharma painkillers if you look at the opioid crisis painkillers have a a role they're important but what we know about big pharmaceutical executives is that they knowingly overprescribed they knowingly over marketed and they overly manufactured and so the only conversation I'm having about antidepressants and I have in my work and it's no different than many mental health experts are having about the possibility of over prescription of an addictive drug that might not be necessary in all cases you know you know doesn't interesting to me like for years people have clearly enjoyed the things you said they enjoyed the things that you've written but not at you're running for president people try to make it seem like you're so crazy yeah well you think that's about what it's about is the fact that we have a gatekeeper class you know we have a a political media industrial complex and they have created this illusion many of them many of them are wonderful wonderful people but as once again we're calling a system not individuals and the system it's it's created this illusion that only they it's a little bit of Wizard of Oz and we don't know what's going on beyond behind that well alright the curse and it's creates this illusion that we're to believe now given the state of this country and I think it's important that we we look at this Donald Trump didn't create all the big property he didn't create all of it it created Donald Trump Donald Trump didn't create it he's just this this this symptom that emerges from it but the system which actually the we're to believe that only people whose careers have been entrenched for decades in the limitations of the very system that drove us into this ditch are qualified to drive us out of this ditch right and I think we the people should go I don't know and by the way when you look at slavery to abolition and when you look at oppression of women's who suffrage and when women's suffrage and when you look at segregation and institutionalized white supremacy to civil rights in none of those cases did the traditional political establishment of the time wake up one day and say oh let's end slavery let's give women the right to vote let's desegregate how no that's not what happened it was people the abolitionist movement the suffragettes move in the civil rights movement people rose up and people stepped in and it is time for the people to step in again kind of like in Puerto Rico what we just saw happened in Puerto Rico oh you mean with the president's throwing the paper towels etc oh no I meant with them actually getting they're getting their governor out oh yes they did and I think that that's from what I have read and what I have heard Puerto Rico will never quite be the same because they've proven to themselves what they can do they've proven to themselves they have a capacity to say no this stops now I love how even when the governor said ah I won't run again they said no that's not good at ago now now and you know when you were talking about love life sometimes says no love sometimes says no uh-uh no more oh yeah I say I always say the three best words you could say in regard to your mental health is fuck that shit is what fuck that shit cuz you gotta take care of yourself don't do things you don't want to do and don't go places you don't want to go well we have to be we have to learn that as citizens now because we're in this codependent relationship with the very system that brought us to where we are yeah it's like we're trying to get cured people who meet us see that's exactly right yeah I liked what you said too about assuring in a new era of American history said you want to take down Andrew Jackson's yes away from people who fought against Native Americans yes I mean he was good on the banks but he was terrible when it came to Native Americans and he really was the author of the Trail of Tears I mean he was a terrible terrible terrible um person towards and towards towards Native Americans and to me it's so insulting I I believe this whole idea of reparations for slavery and reparative measures towards Native Americans are important because as you were saying we need to end one aberrational history of the United States and we need to begin a new one it has to be that fundamental that this country says no no more of that we're going there which is the spirit out of which this country was born now in order to do that though you can't have the future you want if you're not willing to clean up the past and so whether it has to do with the original character defective I think I I think you could certainly is library's 1619 it proceeded you know how do you how do you even compare them it's not a contest for which was more evil but the genocide of Native Americans and slavery we have to just clean up both of them so you would we change everything I could you know the founding fathers had slaves when we take them off the money when we take time I don't believe I do believe in the taking down the statues of in the south robert e lee yes but III always feel when I'm down in the South a lot like South Carolina is one of the early primary states that's all from where are you born a child and reading the small talk almost corner really well maybe you could do an event with me that would be amazing okay Don record thank you for that man Beaufort is particularly you know where the where they actually read the Emancipation Proclamation what's you know if if if what I'm president and when we actually announced this plan of reparations I think we should have the ceremony Buford South Carolina Oh Buford are on a captain's Wharf in Charleston because that's where we're not mistaken fifty to sixty percent of all slaves came through from West Africa yeah cuz they build an international african-american Museum there now we also know that that today is a day that they're going to decide who's gonna be in the next round of presidential debates so this morning I came in at one percent in the Quinnipiac the other day and the my mouth I came in at two percent and you have to have two percent in four polls in order to make it into the debate but I'm running for president so this is more of an expression of that gatekeeper class you know the the the Constitution does not even mention political parties and George Washington warned us against them in his farewell address so I'm I'm doing everything possible to rise to the to the bar and we made the hundred and thirty thousand unique donors we didn't make it into this debate but I hope people will go to Mary Ann 2020 I hope people will contribute I hope people continue to support this campaign so that this conversation and the political force that is emerging from this campaign will continue to rise and I will be in the one or not yeah there's more than I read you on the verge of not being in it would no it's not no I'm not no because the deadline is today yikes anyway pardon did that discourage you in any way well it certainly saddens me in some way but I've really prayed and reflected and talked to people whose opinion matters I've said to people what do you think do you think we're supposed to pack it in do you think we're supposed to say okay cuz obviously you know officialdom is saying okay you had your fun no go home now um but I I have asked and most importantly I've asked in my heart and everything you know Martin Luther King said your life begins to end on the day you stop talking about things that matter this campaign is talking about things that matter and getting real about things that matter and that's what matters and that's what politics should be politics should be a conduit for our deepest thinking and our contemporary political system is a is too narrow a container for the kind of thinking and conversation and action we need to be taking today and so we have to change that and that means we have to persevere we just have to keep going and we have to ask ourselves how serious am I about this how much am I willing to invest in this how much of my am I willing to put myself into this you know one of the things you have to say for racist bigots anti-semites homophobes Islamophobes you know xenophobes they're serious and they have become collectivized and they are convicted and they are politicized we have to become as serious there are a lot more lovers and haters in this country clearly but those who hate hate with conviction and conviction is a force multiplier and those of us who love and want to stand for a new possibility on our series about we won't want to say no to and it's serious about what we want to say yes to we must now become convicted we must now become politicized we must now become as effective as are those who hate and that does not mean to me saying oh okay and going home just because the DNC says to not now it's too early in the process what I feel what I feel when I am around the country people are processing people are thinking we have Donald Trump in the White House this represents a a threat to our democracy and you think it's bad now imagine what this man would do with a second term so we have to think so here I'm saying he is not just a politician he's a a phenomenon I don't believe a a traditional inside politics game will defeat him it's a knife he's bringing big guns to this battle I think we have to create a phenomenon of equal force and that will only come from really laying it down having a real conversation letting people know know we're real we're not doing the same old same old we're having something real going on here we're talking about waging peace and not just giving our national security agenda to the military-industrial complex we're talking about actually dealing with millions of trauma to chronically traumatized children we're talking about reparations we're talking about a genuine holding capitalism to account which on that one there are other other candidates Bernie Elizabeth doing that and and so I think people are going she's right but then oh she's never been there and what does it all mean and should I can we can we risk that and that's the process that is valid and legitimate don't shut that down we all have deep thinking to do now if this is your last go-around you know in the presidential debate what have you learned to out this process that the system is as corrupt as we fear and that people are even more wonderful than we hope you laugh that means of yourself pardon you laugh at me me yourself when you see some of them are hilarious brilliant and I also know that might you know mine delivery in that first debate you know I I felt after that first debate those memes the majority of them were not malevolent I know they were kind of brilliant and hilarious I was on the floor laughing this good memes are brilliant in hello huh what's your favorite one you had me at fuck the system well let's talk about a politics of love a little bit also just because now that you've gotten to know some of these other nominees I'm sure a lot better than you had before are there people that you really liked as well that you feel like I could work with that person oh they're they're really lovely people I mean I have not met Delaney but everybody else has been very lovely and I'm I'm honored to be with them and I don't think of myself as running against anyone I don't think of myself as running with a lot of really great people and that's another reason why I don't think this should be shut down this is healthy for our democracy it's healthy for the Democratic Party let people hear all these ideas I tell people everywhere I go you shouldn't those primary States you should listen to all of us that's your due diligence this is what happens in a democracy it's a it's a town hall of ideas and we learned things you said you agree with Andrew yang now with that long the ubi I read his book in a way yeah I get it no I mean I knew but I didn't know quite the way I knew it once I read in your life and more and and and mark Milton Friedman who was the main articulator of down economics he said even he said if you're going to have this completely market-based economy with no government interference the only way this is safe is for there to be a universal basic income night tell us about this new department you want to develop for like the president the Department of Peace well you can't just take medicine you have to cultivate your health mainstream understanding recognizes this now we have an integrative holistic approach to health and my campaign is about an integrative holistic approach to healing society our current political system is like the old allopathic medicine you just just wait till symptoms appear and then you seek to eradicate or suppress them we know now that's not the way it works you have to cultivate peace just like we cultivate health you can't just have a national security agenda that is based on the endless preparation for war especially given how much money is being made by defense contractors doing that this is what Eisenhower meant by the military-industrial complex now I have a lot of respect for the military my father fought in World War two I think we would all agree United States needs a strong military but I see the military like you'd see a surgeon if you're gonna have surgery you want to have the best surgeon but you avoid surgery if at all possible right now so we need to recognize sickness is the absence of health health isn't the absence of sickness and war is the absence of peace pieces and the absence of war what's our national security agenda that we're just gonna keep preparing for war and hope maybe someday we'll back up into peace doesn't work that way but if you look at where we spend our money because a country is like a person where you spend your money is where your values are where your intention flows okay we spend 750 billion dollars on our military budget then our state Department which is diplomacy and development and mediation that gets forty billion dollars within that we spend 17 billion on USAID or humanitarian assistance and less than one bill dollars on peace building now what is peace building peace building are the things you do which take as much sophistication and expertise as military planning and these are the things you do which statistically indicate there will be a higher level of peace and a lower level of conflict they do and these factors are not gonna surprise anybody in this room number one expand economic opportunities for women right number two expand educational opportunities for children number three reduce violence against women and number four reduce unnecessary human suffering wherever possible because desperate people do desperate things so for me the core value of all domestic and international policy should be whatever helps people thrive that's what peace comes from that's where create a prosperity comes from because it means people get to live their creativity and live their productivity that is already within them now if we see large groups of desperate people as a national security risk that's what our our international policy should be large groups of desperate people are more vulnerable to ideological capture to genuinely psychotic forces they do more desperate things what do you think's happening at the border except that all those desperate people in Honduras and and El Salvador and and Honduras and Guatemala did what they needed felt they needed to do so I want a national security this is why I want a department of peace I want the peace builders to be have an equal place at the table of power as the military right now they're on the periphery that you know it's kind of likely well here's a little bit for you as opposed to what the military gets it should be a far more robust partnership between the military and the peace creators but it does not serve a short-term profit profit maximization for defense contractors bottom line we don't make money it doesn't make money all it does is provide the possibility of a survivable future war makes money sameen but on the other hand even though what we need to do we need to shift from a green economy I mean excuse me from a dirty economy to a green economy we need to shift from a war economy to a peace economy because right now 53 cents of every dollar goes towards defense however we want to we want to really be clear about this the money that you invest in education and the money that you invest in infrastructure is actually a better economic investment so when people say oh well our economy is based so much on it that's not true and also it's true that the same skills the same manufacturing the same research the same development the same building the same creativity the same genius that goes into propping up a military-industrial complex that goes over and beyond by probably hundreds of billions of dollars over and beyond the legitimate security needs of the United States those are the same skills in the same creativity that could easily be repurposed I'm not saying easily with with with careful planning repurposed towards a peace economy of infrastructure and education and building this country and creating this new chapter of our history Department of Peace I'm for that now when you take creating a new chapter of the history you know is it something like Germany like there's no statues of Hitler well that goes no my team is honoring Nazi soldiers like that what you mean well that goes no I'm talking about something much deeper than whether or not a statue exists it's talking about a genuine return to such things as addressing our moral outs our moral gaps between who we should be and who we say we are and how we're behaving that's why I want the Department of Children and Youth to deal with these millions of chronically traumatized American children we have children who are traumatized before preschool right where do you think this country's going to be in 20 years where are these children going to be not only what are we going to do with all these traumatized children who are they're going to turn into not only that think of the millions and billions of possibly trillions of dollars that we are not financially going to actualize because we're not we're not um we're not helping and forming the brains of these little children when you talk about trauma don't you think that some of those things continue the trauma like a phone like it seems like these people are celebrated like these slave masters are people who were bigoted and racist I come from South Carolina so you'll see Strom Thurmond on buildings ghromdur his name on highway let's look at South Carolina South Carolina had a billion dollar surplus and turned down Medicaid expansion so it's it that that's on the level of policy where this we're where the where the where the injustice lives to turn down Medicaid expansion and you've got you've got South Carolina is definitely one of those places where you've got these chronic ly traumatized children I was just in New Hampshire where twenty five percent of the children in northern New Hampshire go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world now in terms of the statues you're writing in Europe you you're not gonna see it gurbles of Goering or Hitler statue of them I have felt but you come from Charleston so your opinion you're a South Carolinian it seems to me why can't we take those statues down put them in a museum because they are part of American history put them in a museum and then in these beautiful many of them are in beautiful squares say to the contemporary artists say to the artists of this time say to the sculptors of this time young ones commemorate the fact that it had a happy ending commemorate the taking down of the Confederate flag or at least at the very least that we're headed in the right direction we are celebrating the positive narrative that we're going to carry out now so it seems to me such an opportunity for artistic celebration of our time and our taxpayer dollars go to actually support a lot of these spaces where you might see those statues and so you would want your money to support something that you support yes and in it's it's kind of like when we talked about Beaufort South Carolina you go to Ground Zero mmm-hmm you go to there's something very ritualistic and it's a powerful vortex where one thing occurred I was yesterday down at the World Trade Center hmm very powerful you commemorate you commemorate a place of evil by replacing it with a with a thing of light no I don't think you're crazy at all man I actually agree with a lot of the things you say I used to like you when you was on Oprah supersoul conversation but do you ever feel like you're going crazy because you're talking love you're talking peace you're talking happiness and everybody's looking you like Europe like you're nothing no I don't feel like I'm going crazy but I feel like Americans American culture uh can be disappointing a heartless heartless mentality is insane but I don't find that in the American people the American people are fine I mean with just like everybody else but the gap that's so dangerous today is a gap between the consciousness or the will of the American people and the way our political establishment operates which has been hijacked by an amoral economic system and that is insane when you have an economic system that places fiduciary responsibilities for stockholders at the expense when you serve that at the expense of any moral or ethical responsibility to people to workers to plan it to environment that is insane yeah and that has hijacked our government unfortunately our government does more to advocate for that and those short-term corporate profits than it does to advocate for us and that level of of heartlessness which is deeply insane leads to chaos leads to danger and I think that those of us who who know better must stand up and your opinion what role has social media played in your campaign as far as with politics and your campaign specifically it has not played enough of one and that's why I hope the people will donate because so much of what you can do with social media does have to do with advertising it doesn't have to do with a lot of the digital work that that costs money I certainly am out there on on Instagram and I'm out there on Twitter and I'm out there on Facebook but I would love to do much more I think it's helped you a name brand recognition not only food like maybe some of these people who didn't know you before you started running for president cuz every time it's a debate you cut through with something and the way they joking on you in the first debate or the second to meet you say something everybody agreed when you cut through well even in the first one I said it funny but when you look at what I said it was my delivery that it invited some mockery but if you actually look at what I said it was as serious as what I said on the second one did you see the the satire article that The New Yorker did on you yeah you know so interesting about that one of our interns actually I guess he thinks there's a real art so reallocation question like you would rather call abortion soul reallocation where did you come up with this free you know it's it's uh it would be funny if it weren't so sad yeah because I mean I even look at that one percent in the Quinnipiac poll today if they had not that done if they had not done that hard on smear on me I'd be up at two or three so you think stuff like The New Yorker article hurts well that one that is a satire it's it that particular article just made me roll my eyes but the larger narrative of some of the stuff that's been said of course it did you a cancer though is it purple to me personally no I'm not a little girl I'm not a victim I'm not you know it saddens me for our democracy and also I'll tell you something I naively thought the left didn't act this way Yeah right I knew that the left is called a you know a circular firing squad yes but boy you're the worst and to see so many women participating it's uh that's been pretty depressing did you read the 16:19 project in the New York Times it's profound yeah and really pivotal I think I emailed you I think I can't imagine that not getting a peeler surprised because I was when I read it I thought about like you know with all these conversations about reparations there's nobody that can read this and not say this community is old something that's right I agree with you and partly also you know I talk in my campaign about being an integrated politics sometimes when I'm talking to people about reparations I always say to people don't just hear the data really allow yourself to think about what this means so you're told you're you're not a slave anymore but where he's supposed to go what are you supposed to do that's why Martin Luther King would say 100 years later they were free but what were they free to so the beauty of that art that 1619 project to me is that they brought in more than journalists they brought in artists they brought in poets they brought in literary people so it's such a holistic treatment so that you don't just read facts you're you're you know that's an you know genuine literary excellence and is there so that you you're you're thrown back personally and that's where we need to be about politics that's what we need to be about history and what I find talking about reparations in the whitest states in America in New Hampshire you know it was the 400th anniversary of the the landing of the first ship in Jamestown at 1619 I was in New Hampshire the abolitionist movement emerged in large part from New Hampshire the early of angelical Stara the early Quakers so when and I was speaking in a church that morning and it was a perfect place to be really taking in it you know a religious or spiritual context is a container for allowing ourselves to feel horror in a way that we need to in a safe emotionally safe way and so that that 1619 project is what politics has to be now that we approach these things with more than just intellectual analysis but with our head our hearts and our feelings and our our deep reflection that goes beyond just this happened and then this happened and this is what we should change and this is what we should change we have to go deep and the conventional political conversation is so superficial it is so shallow it is an adequate to the task at hand I'll ask you what is the temperature for reparations around the country like what people and the government abuse I get I get standing ovations in Iowa and in New Hampshire people the American people I I do not believe the average American is a racist I think the average American though is woefully under educated about history they just either don't know that we're never taught they don't remember that's why things like the 1619 project I've been saying for many months it started in 1619 and now because of things like this article then you say okay it's 250 years of slavery plus 100 years of nother wave of institutionalized white supremacy three hundred and fifty years that's longer than the America and then the United States has been in exist since so I find people like Wow and then you you you explain the narrative you explained what and then you go all the way and what did the lynchings what would they accept domestic terror what was Ku Klux Klan accept domestic terror what did the Civil Rights Act do what did the Voting Rights Act do the Voting Rights Act been chipped away out since 2013 then you continue mass incarceration racial disparity in sentencing in policemen etc by the time you finish the whole thing and then you talk about Germany paying eighty nine billion dollars in reparations didn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen but it's gone far towards establishing reconciliation between Germany and the Jews of Europe by the time you get to the end you girl how can we not how can we and that we can't we could do this we could be a generation so yeah we got this next thing done you think these candidates really care about reparations I was just a good talking point oh I get that there are good people I don't think this is about people who don't care I get that it's about people who are themselves so entrenched if you want to know and listen a Democrat has to win in 2020 that's got to be our bottom line let's be very clear about that and I will show up for that I'm sure we all right but if you even look at how this campaign is being run from above DNC etc that tells you everything you need to know about how locked up the system yeah I'm so scared I know you gotta go I'm just so scared because you're not think about you know the last Democratic primary unlike the DNC basically took it from Bernie Sanders and I'm thinking about like the fact that we know Russians are interfering with the elections we know voter suppression is real we saw Mitch McConnell turn down an election security bill like how do we even know the fight is fixed I'm fights not fixed in 2020 how we notify it's fair well the only thing what this is the deal no matter what they do and they will be shameless no matter what the Republicans do just assume they'll be shameless no matter what the Russians do and assume there'll be something there's only one thing that can override all of it and that is if enough of us vote right so that's people to be discouraged and it'll be like I'm not voting anyway you have to still go out and vote because they'll make you feel like well your vote doesn't matter your vote doesn't count but let's let's let's deconstruct that those people have said their vote didn't matter in too many cases they've been right so in too many cases not voting was a rebellion however dysfunctional you and I might find it it was a a a passive non it was non resistance it was resistance it was passive unwilling it was an unwillingness to participate in a system that people knew was not there for them and about that they were right that's why I thought it was going to be either Bernie or Trump because they were the only two that named the rage they were the only two that named the despair the only two that validated that it existed not that I'm not saying Hillary didn't care but you didn't name it so it's gonna be a populist cry of despair or an authoritarian populist of despair that's why I believe Bernie would have won for two years ago now then the issue is we have to realize Trump did not win just because of all the people who were so excited about Trump and if we were to win again it wouldn't just be because of all the people who were excited about Trump it's about all those millions of people who didn't vote yeah and if we don't give them something more real this time why would it be any different we can't just count on people hating Trump to defeat Trump we have to inspire something and that only happens if you get real and so take the topic of reparations people beat conventional systems as well you can't go too far because people won't like that I see it the opposite I said no what people want to hear is can somebody have a real conversation here please can somebody like just talk for real whether I agree with you or not that's what people want to hear that's the energy that's why I'm saying he will not be beaten by an insider politics game the part of the brain that intellectually analyzes an issue it's not the part of the brain that decides who to vote for we're like a you know we're like we're like an alcoholic family system where the kids can feel mommy and daddy aren't talking about what's really true and yet that system looks at somebody who's talking a deeper radical truth-telling [Music] we might have telling the truth we need somebody I can excite people with a way to pop by chicken sandwich thank you is that an endorsement no I wanted to ask you was you've been very assistant on the things that you believe in and things you've been saying even before running for president what do you think about candidates who we look at their past and things that they've put into motion what do you think about taking that into consideration when we look at them today even it was something from 10 20 30 years ago and holding them accountable today for that because you haven't had issues like that well I'm not a perfect human being no numbers are running for Saints you can look in anybody's past and find things that are cringe-worthy um myself included but what about policies that affected people that's well that's different first of all my whole campaign is based on the notion that a nation can atone and a nation can be redeemed and I believe that about a nation because I believe that about individuals so to me it would have to do as much as much as it matters what happened it also matters to me what the person has to say about it now and also I think hello can we get real to me it has let we should be taking a deeper look also at how much money some of these people have taken tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars from the very corporate forces that now they're saying they're going to go to Washington and fight for us always a pleasure talking to you how do we make sure you're in the next debate thank you nobody can be talking about reparations thank you thank you Mary Ann 2020 calm or Marianne for president calm whatever uh send me a box send me five dollars sent me $10 me it's anything your heart says to send me give me the opportunity to build an infrastructure that can compete and I'll rock this is the money roll over like the method that you said you earned one hundred and thirty thousand one hundred and thirty thousand unique donors so now for the next one I think I need one hundred and fifty thousand no more you know for the one thirty but I what about poll numbers at least stupid oh that's all for the fourth okay good well but the thing is in order to get the poll numbers up you need to have more of a campaign I see my campaign is kind of like a bonsai tree it's just like other big trees it just has these limitations you there are candidates who are spending already in Iowa alone ten million dollars you feel like you can't compete I can't I mean I don't need ten million because I think I've got a message here but I definitely I yeah I mean it's not mysterious how many fields organizers can you hire how many digital ads can you buy how many videos can you make um when it went in if you can get on television it's not mysterious what you do with the money hmm and you know oh that's quite public so yeah I mean look I feel I was at 2% at the man mouth poll the other day 1% today and yeah if I have more money and if they had and smeared me like that I'd be higher I'm not finished my heart says I'm here no I'm here and I'll be here as long as you know this is not just my decision it's the decision of people who support it volunteer I'll send them money talk about it on their their social and people like yourselves to whom I am deeply grateful thank you so much you know who exactly smeared you you know you know do you think you know who smeared you I do you think it came from one don't know sauce don't know but somebody was writing some talking points because they were all the same yeah yeah you'll be fine yeah thank you so much thank you as Marianne Williamson it's the Breakfast Club [Music]

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